the study was based on the man job and his integrity.
there are several obvious flaws in their reasoning, but paragraph 6 struck me in the eyes.
the subheading "never resort to devious methods" then :.
lets see know,
1. using secular research out of context
2. changing doctrine to hide past errors
3. resorting to mind control tactics to retain and recruit membership
4. blaming members for hoping in failed predictions
5. lying i mean using theocratic warfare to obsolve the organization of culpability
6. refusing to adjust old light in order to prevent needless death
quoting out of context seems petty compared to thier more devious sins. nice thread BB
our jw contact sent us the " witness only " wt's again and i just had to make a thread on this mind numbing article.
starting on pg.22 in the jan.15th it deals with " coping with discouragement ".
it seems lots of jw's are under intense stress these days ( can you blame them ?
almost every JW i know from 16 to 60 is on some anti-anxiety or depression medicine i would be willing to bet the watchtower has stock in big pharma.
it was thrilling to participate in the world wide protest, jan, 21-23 2011 exposing the watchtower organization for their policies on deliberately breaking up up families.
we thank all those involved this past weekend for their passion and commitment to help free those trapped in falsehood.
i am aware that many on this forum do not believe in protesting against the watchtower society,and i respect their position.
i dont see how you can compare the protests in egypt based on 30 years of political oppression, 20% unemployment, and poverty that affects a whole nation to a few ex members of an insignificant fringe fundementalist religion. unless you were infected with the JW doctrine most "wordlies" could give a shit as they are too busy living thier lives. i applaud your energy but find it somewhat misguided in that it just gives any JW the persecution complex zeal to preach even more and possibly infecting additional unsuspecting persons with the doctrine, and why send them to another religious site? it may lead some to think you have another motive besides the main goal to bring awarness to the cult.
there are a lot of witnesses that have examined the df'ing arrangement and deem it worthy to be the main force of discipline for god's earthly organization.
the prodfers as i just named them, are advovates of the policy and believe that it churns out, once the offender returns through the system in place, very "spiritual" people.. think about this process and figure out what the desired result the originator of the policy was:.
the subject is acused of a "high end sin" (requires the quantification of sin).if subject has been viewed by two or more witnesses a private hearing is formed with a panel of three elders.the subject is interogated by the panel of elders and information is gathered using policies from a secret elder handbook.
addendum to 5
The disfellowshipping will affect family relations as those related and not living in the same home will avoid all unessasary contact with the offender. Those family members living with the offender will be wary of trusting the disfellowshipped so as not to be involved in spiritual fornication.
nope, doesn't sound like a very christ like attitude here
a year after my parents were baptized i was born in 1954. that same year my father was appointed presiding overseer and remained in that position until the early sixties despite the fact he was still smoking.
he gained the position by default because he was the only baptized man who could read.
thus began my life course of abuse, neglect and cult thinking.
WOW! i am sorry you were put through that . i have seen the abuse JW children are subject to all for praise to an organization. they are the group that suffers the most and i think as they continue to rebell is larger #'s they will do the most damage to this cult
this is so hard for me.. my daughters don't want to talk about it.
they don't want to hear about the jws from their father.
and they don't want to hear about the jws from me.. they don't want to talk about it period.. they both seem to think i am stuck because i do talk about it.. the problem is partly that i can see just how stuck they are, especially the younger one who continues to fear armageddon is coming and has survival kits ready in her basement for when it comes - she showed me.
if the only scarring this religion has left on your children is building a survival shelter in her basement then i think you are fortunate.maybe you can take comfort that you have helped free your children from a life that would have been much worse.
i struggle with my believeing wife over how far i let her ingraine my children in this cult and it is very tiresome.
as time continues along with my exit from the religion i think about this question often.
is living a slaves existence in order to hopefully gain an eternal life worth it?
i have begun to wonder what will happen to me when i am dying whether i will see a bright light or not or will i awaken to a heavenly courtroom to be judged for my deeds that will be laid before me.
As time continues along with my exit from the religion i think about this question often. Is living a slaves existence in order to HOPEFULLY gain an eternal life worth it? I have begun to wonder what will happen to me when i am dying whether i will see a bright light or not or will i awaken to a heavenly courtroom to be judged for my deeds that will be laid before me. if we return to dust then why waste time fearing something unavoidable?
pastor charles taze russells wife, maria, divorced him in 1906. the writings of maria russell e-document contains an eleven-page enlightening introduction that outlines her fall from her husbands affection because he said she was endeavoring to take over the editorship of his religious journal, zions watch tower.
is that true?
also discussed is the question of mrs. russells acumen as a writer which her husband and followers called into question.
i just stumbled on this, i always thought russell was a sincere albeit misguided person. this is an eyeopener and a must read for new members(like myself). i suppose his chauvanistic views were common for the day . from some of this you can see the org still uses his arrogance regarding their view of women.
this subject thread has been on my mind for a while, especially after seeing "zombieland" and foodall's thread about our possible ufo/reptilian over lords/realion/alien invaders.
when the great day of reckoning comes, whether it be from ufo alien invaders, realian reptilian over lords, demons in human-hybrid form, or just plain old virus-infected zombies, what will you be carrying to defend yourself from the hostile forces of e-vile?
please, no one say a "bible" or i'm going to just laugh my ass off.
ruger gp100 357magnum in a shoulder carry rig. glock 17 on my hip. benneli supernova for splatter effect of course. and my scoped savage edge in .308 to take care of the runners.
i have been reading alot of posts here lately.
one recurring theme seems to be problems with our mates that are still in.
so i thought perhaps we could put our thoughts together in a organized manner.
one thing i know does not work is the false prophecy battles. i never argue about what i know when she starts with "you have me so confused or i dont know what to believe" i end it there. i will go to the kh once in awhile but if i did not have kids i probably would never go. we have been married 20 years and i love her dearly but she knows i am never going back to being a good jdub and my time as one is running out. i try to show her the best side of the "world" and we have several non JW friends which i think is huge.
